Mindless Babbel From a Mindfull Artist....
Opinion in a nutshell....
Published on January 23, 2004 By Does it matter In Politics
My conclusion from studies in Education......

In general, the concept of Zero Tolerance is not a bad idea depending how it is enforced and to what extreme.
Let us say two children were fighting at school, in this case, it does not matter which child was the aggressor and which was defending himself due to “zero tolerance”. Rule being: since they were both fighting, therefore they are both suspended. In sense what does this teach children about basic law enforcement? Or consequences of wrong doings? That is not the way it works outside the classroom. If an individual attacks another person, the victim is legally entitled to defend him/herself, as long as the amount of force he/she uses is not out of proportion to the threat of other person.
Weapon control is a sensible act that should be enforced by all schools. I am not going to complain too much on that region. Where I am going to carp is suspending elementary –age children for drawing stick figures with arrows through their heads calling it a “terrorist treat”. Better yet, the sixth-grader who was facing a year’s suspension for bring a kitchen knife to school because his science project required an onion to be cut.
Sometimes it really makes me wonder what is going through these educators’ minds when they see a list of what is considered “dangerous”. Do they honestly think that small six-year-old who is drawing a picture of the teacher with stink marks is going to bring an AKA-47 assault riffle to school the next day? If there is fear in that much intensity, where as a teacher, you can remember at that age when you were doing the same exact thing, I would not bother coming in anymore. Kids will be kids, and clamping down on children who make serious death threats is vital. But since the purpose of "zero tolerance" is to relieve teachers and administrators of the responsibility of making any judgments at all, the idea needs to be reorganized. Outrages are not anecdotal anymore: They are epidemic.

Comments
on Jan 23, 2004
Yes this is rediculous.

The principal of my High School later when on to some higher position in the board of school and enacted Zero Tolorance. The first story in this article is the result:

http://www.tegenwicht.org/06_jongens/zero_tolerance.htm
on Jan 23, 2004
As the parent of a child who was involved in one of these overreactions I agree completely. Some other kid started a rumor about my son. After which he was interogated, threatened with suspension and failing, and sent home. Fortunately everyone who knew him stood up for him and after threatening to sue the school the Superintendent stepped in and issued an official letter of apology. The principal was later sacked for misconduct. This kind of behavior goes to far, when other children know that they can "Get back" at someone by starting an aweful rumor like this about them, the situation has clearly gone to far. That and the principal's bad gangster movie type interrogation clearly step beyond the things we need to do to protect our children.
on Jan 25, 2004
Student teaching/Methods in the public school systems I found some of the policies to be quite stupid. It was just as rediculous as what is posted in this article. Yet.. they are taken so seriously.
on Jan 25, 2004
Zero tolerance usually means Zero common sense. Don't use your brain and anaylize an individual situation for what it is - just do it.

So no, zero tolerance isn't a good idea. Each individual situation should be dealt with individually for what they are - and the administrators and teachers should be smart enough how to handle situations if you ask me. That's why it requires a 4 year bachelors degree to be a teacher, no?
on Jan 25, 2004
And I don't think making an argument against public education in favor of private education is a good thing either; private schools do so much better because the students who tend to attend those schools are there because their parents are generally wealthier, and they have a home environment that cares about their education. You take a poor kid from a family that doesn't care about education, or doesn't help them when they get home - private schools would do no better for them.
on Jan 26, 2004
I agree... it IS up to the student about their performance in school. It is also partly on the teacher too. If the teacher wants to be there, and is willing to teach ALL the children, including the "bad ones" a difference will be made. I am a firm believer there is no "bad" student.... just bad teachers. I call them: Paycheck collectors.
on Jan 26, 2004
I'd just like to make the point that for every case of overreactiveness involving Zero Tolerance there are thousands of cases (that, by nature, go unreported) of teachers letting slide things like this, and nothing bad happens. It is a casualty of the overreactive society that we live in that we only hear of the extreme cases, and thus hear that this is the norm. I could tell you stories of being brutally bullied through school and being held at an equal responsibility level as the kid who sat on my back and beat on the back of my head while I was facedown on the ground. However, what these incidents taught me was that, for the most part, I needed to rely on myself; that mom or dad or teacher or prinicpal wasn't always going to be there to help me out of my situation. Thus, I've become an independent and healthy individual. I think, that in some situations, it might be a better idea of some of the students out there today had more parental involvement, and if some had less. (If you can follow that thought) Basically, there are some kids whose parents seem to survive simply to bail their children out of bad situations, and there are others who seem to ignore their kids entirely. Moderation, I believe, would solve most of the problems in the education field today. That's why I'm becoming a teacher.
on Jan 26, 2004
And I don't think making an argument against public education in favor of private education is a good thing either; private schools do so much better because the students who tend to attend those schools are there because their parents are generally wealthier, and they have a home environment that cares about their education. You take a poor kid from a family that doesn't care about education, or doesn't help them when they get home - private schools would do no better for them.


You probably didn't mean it this way, but this is incredibly insulting to poor people. While money MAY offer a child better creature comforts, it does not equate to better parents or parenting. I have met people from all walks of life in policing, and money almost never had anything to do with whether or not they were kind, loving caring people, particularly when it comes to their kids. Some folks are good parents, and some aren't. Wealth is not the deciding factor.

VES
on Jan 27, 2004
Comment on Superthrawn's comment. Yes, there are some parents who bail thier kids out of situation, but what does that teach the child? Mommy and Daddy will get the out of anything. I had the opposite... my mother is an educator and she bailed me out of nothing. I recieved what I deserved. At the time, I didn't think it was fair, but I understand why she did it.
on Jan 27, 2004
I'm not sure that's what he meant Karen, I think he meant that teachers often realize that a kid playing cops and robbers and making shooting noises is just childish fun and not meant as a threat.

But then again, I could be wrong.

Cheers
on Jan 27, 2004
There does seem to be in all fields a group of people who follow the letter of a rule, but misunderstand the spirit of the law. Then there are those who actually think and respond accordingly. When it comes to discipline in school, I found a lot of teachers, school counselors and principals who allowed bullies to reign on the playground and punished those who complained. However, there are wonderful teachers and principals, but they get burned out.